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greetings citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan and the gang's all

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here maureen elsberry

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ryan sprague and shane heard thanks for

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hanging out with us for this final

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episode

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of 2020. today we're wrapping up our

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2020 season

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by looking back at some of the most

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noteworthy ufo and extraterrestrial

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here's what we're doing today we're

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running through 10

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of the biggest ufo and extraterrestrial

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related stories of 2020

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and rather than trying to rank these

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stories by importance or magnitude

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we'll simply go in mostly chronological

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so let's start in january and

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this is a story it's always fun when we

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do these shows because it's difficult to

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remember back

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to the stories that happened this year

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you know whether it was this year or the

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previous year because the story is kind

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of all blend together but also

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like especially with this being 2020 and

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a pandemic year

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everything kind of blends together

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anyway so it's hard to think all the way

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back but let's go all the way back to

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january

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and the year began with a fun juicy

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story that prompted an explosion of

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and fueled speculation on january 10th

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vice.com published an article titled the

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navy has secret classified video of an

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infamous ufo incident

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in which mj binnies details the navy's

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response to a freedom of information act

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request

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submitted by ufo researcher christian

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lambreit who is hoping to gain

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additional information about the heavily

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2004 navy ufo encounter that took place

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off the coast of san diego

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known by many as the tic tac ufo

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incident bonaires explained that the

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navy's response

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indicated that it had quote discovered

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that are classified top secret end quote

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quote a review of these materials

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indicate that they are currently and

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that the release of these materials

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of the united states end quote this

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grave damage to national security

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certainly caught the attention of ufo

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researchers and media outlets alike

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with some interpreting this comment as

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an admission

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that the navy has information about

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menacing extraterrestrials

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admission that the ufo involved in the

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because it's simply a cut and paste

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exceptionally grave damage to the

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but of course official navy comments

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like this sound juicy and they fuel

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so it's understandable while the whole

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do any of you guys remember all the way

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on top of everything else going on in

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the world but there's been a lot of

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ufo stuff going on and statements and

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i i honestly had to go back and uh and

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but again they all kind of blend

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government does there is a lot of cut

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of those those are the approved

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so it's hard to keep all these stories

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you know what would become a battle

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of like wording and like you said copy

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2020 who were going after this stuff

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they force them into a corner and now

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pretty incredible were you going to say

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it's it's a complete recycle of of what

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that happens later this year and it's

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that says it even though we all kind of

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this department did it so now we have to

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uh it's that an endless cycle of just

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right let's move on to our

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number two story and that is

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want to take this one shane

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yeah absolutely so on april 2nd the

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a story entitled coronavirus to blame

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of ufo sightings in belgium

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ran a story entitled coronavirus

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pandemic sparks 30-year high spike

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and there was in fact a decent jump in

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in april compared to the 483

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reported in april last year so a huge

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conceivably do it now but the year is

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not over so to give it a fair shake and

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department of defense issued a press

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release to announce the official release

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of those three navy ufo videos

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that we keep seeing resurface from time

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to find to fill the headlines with

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new rounds of stories so here's what the

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press release said the department of

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defense has authorized the release of

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navy videos after a thorough review the

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authorized release of these unclassified

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videos does not reveal any sensitive

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the videos in order to clear up any

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misconceptions by the public on whether

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or not the footage that has been

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or whether or not there is more to the

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videos the aerial phenomena

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floodgates media outlets from around the

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world were running stories about the

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pentagon releasing ufo videos

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but you know for people like us who have

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followed the story of these videos for

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the dod's statement really didn't add

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anything new to the saga

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there are these navy videos and the navy

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already told us in 2019 that the objects

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in the video are considered unidentified

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so the pentagon has stated before that

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uh and even the video themselves that

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are identical to the ones previously

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the link the quality everything about

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another statement about the videos and

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here we are you know at the end of the

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year and we still don't really

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understand this move

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and similar moves made throughout the

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year right yeah yeah i really think it

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goes back to the fact that uh

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you know these things were going to get

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out there whether the dod or pentagon

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liked it or not and they had been out

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there

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for a while so i think they were playing

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catch up in this case

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in my personal opinion and trying to

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take control of the situation

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damage control right there that's that's

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the damage control is certainly

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certainly a good guess but again i mean

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there's so much that's out there all the

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time

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and there really is no need for them to

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say anything

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they could just let it run wild and let

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people talk about ufos all they want

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and there's no need for them to say

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anything at all and almost by saying

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something adds a little fuel fire

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protest too much yeah

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right you wonder how long i mean they're

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they're late to the party

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uh you know so how long and how many

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conversations about sitting around

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uh do we comment on this or do we not

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happen behind closed doors

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probably a lot they may be struggling to

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set a pattern how to deal with this

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information

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and the way that it rolls out and so you

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know maybe we're going to see some kind

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of awkward

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you know stops and starts but you know

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if the

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ua

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you just know that from now on the

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pattern's been set that

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information is coming out and they've

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got to

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get a grip on how to you know handle

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that from a media perspective and

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and may you know me that's a little

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awkward and they're struggling with it

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so

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i mean i could see this still happening

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for a while but sooner or later you

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would think that they would

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you know develop some kind of policy or

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something that you know create some

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consistency in their responses

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i would like the the job title of

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government uh uap

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uh media liaison

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but then everybody would hate you she

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is hated by everybody and i i think it's

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a little

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unfair for that poor woman but yeah all

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right but but to your point shane i mean

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i think

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you know it probably caught them a

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little off guard with this next story

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and that is our number four

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the new york times big story it talked

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about

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ufo crash retrievals go with this one

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ryan

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oh yeah i definitely remember this one

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as i'm sure you guys

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your phones were going off the hook in

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email after this yeah on july 23rd

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new york times published a much

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anticipated article titled

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no longer in the shadows pentagon's ufo

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unit will make some findings public

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it was written by leslie kane and ralph

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blumenthal who we know very

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very well from the original 2017 article

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and uh the two

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authors of that now legendary article

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of december of 2017 where they exposed

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the ufo project the

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atip advanced aerospace threat

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identification program

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and uh this article this i guess

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follow-up kind of

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um essentially provided an overview of

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some of the

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uh the ufo related stories that had been

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generating buzz in recent months namely

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the

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fiscal year of 2021

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and the uh uap task force which we're

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going to be talking about in a little

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bit here um

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marco rubio's recent comments about ufos

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and comments about ufo crashes and

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recovered material from former senate

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majority leader harry reid

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and in eric davis a former pentagon

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contractor

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and uh eric davis he reportedly worked

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as a consultant for atip and he told the

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new york times that

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in some cases quote examination of the

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materials had so far

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failed to determine their source and led

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him to conclude

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we couldn't make it ourselves end quote

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the article also says that davis claims

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he quote gave a classified briefing to

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the defense department agency

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as recently as march and about

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retrievals from

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off-world vehicles not made on this

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earth and that

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was the quote that really went viral and

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sent everyone into a tailspin off world

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vehicles

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and uh yeah it's that statement right

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there that generated

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generated the most attention from the

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public and from media

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and it was just crazy for a few weeks

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after that from what i remember

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yeah and understandably so i mean here

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we have the new york

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a new york times article talking about

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recovered vehicles from not of this

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earth that's insane

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and certainly justifiable that people

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went nuts over this

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i was right there with you getting uh an

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insane invarge of uh

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texts and emails from friends what's

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what's going on here

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no correct me if i'm wrong was this the

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article

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that all the hype was around in mystery

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for like

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half a year or something that seemed

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like a thorn in our side for a while

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yeah absolutely there was so much hype

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built up over this that oh yeah there's

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going to be this bomb drop

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it's coming it's coming it's coming and

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then after the story came out

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um yeah leslie and ralph did that

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interview

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you know even pointing out how much

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trouble that caused the article

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and almost prevented the release of it

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now was it

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was this the one where harry reid then

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backstepped on a quote

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yeah yeah so much drama with this

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article

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yeah and it was supposed to be really

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long like a pretty lengthy

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write-up and we were told by the authors

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that they had to walk it back a ton

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so god knows what they really wanted to

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get out to the public with it we may

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never know or we might know

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in the coming months who knows we've

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heard that we'll know some more

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big articles are coming so welcome to

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our world

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well a big part of that article was the

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mention

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of the uap task force so let's jump into

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that with our number five story about

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the uap task force

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and this is a little long because

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there's so much to talk about here and

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this

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all isn't necessarily um from one story

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or in order

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this was a big story all year long so on

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august 14th

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the department of defense issued a press

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release to announce the establishment of

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the unidentified aerial phenomenon

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task force or uaptf and according to the

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press release

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the uaptf was approved on august 4th

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2020 by deputy secretary of defense

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david l norquist

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this task force is led by the department

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of the navy with

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oversight by the office of the under

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secretary of defense for intelligence

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and security

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as had previously been reported the dod

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reiterated that the uap

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task force was established quote to

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improve

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its understanding of and gain insight

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into

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the nature and origin of uaps in quote

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and its mission is to quote detect

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analyze and catalog uaps

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that could potentially pose a threat to

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u.s national security end quote

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this was the official announcement but

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we heard plenty about this mysterious

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uap task force

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earlier in the year mentions of some new

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task force related to ufos were seen

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back in may

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when researcher john greenwald brought

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attention to statements obtained by

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writer

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roger glassell from dod spokesperson

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susan goff

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who stated that quote the investigation

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of uap sightings by the multi-agency

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task force

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is ongoing end quote multi-agency

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meaning the dod and the u.s navy

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that was really the first realization of

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a current ufo task force

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the july 23rd new york times article we

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just mentioned

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reported that the uap task force is the

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continuation

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of the pentagon's previously revealed

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ufo program atip

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which reportedly ended in 2012 and the

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new york times

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article says that quote the program

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never lapsed end quote

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the article even states that luis

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elizondo atep's former head

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quote confirmed that the new task force

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evolved from

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the advanced aerospace program end quote

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the discussion

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of the task force in the new york times

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was related to a draft of the

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intelligence authorization act for

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fiscal year 2021

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that was submitted by senator marco

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rubio on june 17th

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on behalf of the senate select committee

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on intelligence

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within the committee comments was a

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section titled quote

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advanced aerial threats end quote

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and this essentially detailed a request

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for a report to be assembled to provide

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a summary of the current ufo situation

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by the director of national intelligence

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in consultation

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with the secretary of defense and other

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relevant parties and the source of that

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information is supposed to come from a

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few different sources

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including the uap task force

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now the comments in the intelligence

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authorization act state that

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quote the committee supports the efforts

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of the unidentified aerial phenomena

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task force

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end quote the report being requested

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specifically asks for a quote

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a detailed analysis of unidentified

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aerial phenomena data and intelligence

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reporting collected or held by the

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unidentified aerial phenomena task force

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susan goff issued a statement to popular

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mechanics and other journalists on july

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26

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stating that the dod was quote creating

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a task force

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to gain knowledge and insight into the

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nature and origins of uips

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as well as their operations capabilities

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performance and or signatures in quote

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and she added that quote the mission of

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the task force will be to detect analyze

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catalog consolidate

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and exploit non-traditional aerospace

578
00:19:28,549 --> 00:19:26,400
vehicles slash uaps

579
00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:28,559
posing an operational threat to u.s

580
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:29,760
national security

581
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:32,559
and avoid strategic surprise in quote

582
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,120
and

583
00:19:36,630 --> 00:19:35,280
to the dismay of everybody hoping that

584
00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,640
the uap task force

585
00:19:40,789 --> 00:19:38,559
was going to be some awesome government

586
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:40,799
project openly sharing ufo info

587
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:43,280
with the public susan goff has on

588
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:44,799
multiple occasions

589
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:47,679
burst of that balloon stating quote dod

590
00:19:51,510 --> 00:19:50,000
does not discuss publicly the details of

591
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,520
either the observations or the

592
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:53,600
examination of reported incursions

593
00:19:57,990 --> 00:19:55,840
into our training ranges or designated

594
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,000
airspace including those incursions

595
00:20:04,310 --> 00:20:01,120
initially designated as uap

596
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:04,320
so the uap task force is in my opinion

597
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,240
a giant mess and we still have more

598
00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:07,919
coming about the uap task force

599
00:20:12,470 --> 00:20:10,799
in a few stories here but we have

600
00:20:13,669 --> 00:20:12,480
conflicting stories conflicting

601
00:20:17,110 --> 00:20:13,679
reporting

602
00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:17,120
and we still don't know if it actually

603
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:18,080
is something

604
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:19,919
that has been going on for a long time

605
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:21,280
or if it is in fact

606
00:20:25,270 --> 00:20:23,200
brand new as the press release the

607
00:20:27,510 --> 00:20:25,280
pentagon itself released

608
00:20:28,789 --> 00:20:27,520
and we don't know if it truly is the

609
00:20:30,549 --> 00:20:28,799
continuation of

610
00:20:31,909 --> 00:20:30,559
atif it has been going if there never

611
00:20:33,909 --> 00:20:31,919
was a lapse

612
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,919
that's what the reporting says but the

613
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:35,440
pentagon again with its

614
00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:38,240
trend of mixed messaging here has made

615
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:39,200
everything

616
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,919
such a complete confusing mess

617
00:20:48,789 --> 00:20:47,520
i feel like we should just get to the

618
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,799
point where the government should

619
00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:49,679
acknowledge

620
00:20:56,950 --> 00:20:54,159
a small budget for a public ufo program

621
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,960
that uh you know citizens can report to

622
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,559
as well they know this is going to

623
00:21:03,510 --> 00:21:00,240
satisfy a lot of those things

624
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,520
i totally get not being able to reveal

625
00:21:07,830 --> 00:21:06,159
information that is involved with

626
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,840
training exercises and

627
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:09,919
and things that are going to really

628
00:21:14,470 --> 00:21:12,159
corrupt our safety around

629
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,480
uh international relations and and

630
00:21:18,470 --> 00:21:15,760
technology we have

631
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:18,480
i get it yes we'd like to hear every

632
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,480
detail that some unknown object

633
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,559
came and tried to shut down a nuclear

634
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,400
base and and this and that

635
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:27,120
because we eventually find out about

636
00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,559
some of those sightings but

637
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,799
i think it would not be that expensive

638
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,400
to have this public

639
00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:35,039
organization in place ryan will sit at a

640
00:21:39,350 --> 00:21:36,240
desk

641
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,360
surrounded by paper oh you know

642
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:40,880
have a couple people they could hire a

643
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:42,880
rogue planet to to do this

644
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:45,120
for the public and have a small budget

645
00:21:48,630 --> 00:21:46,640
for it i

646
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,640
i mean all these these secret projects

647
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:50,000
over the years you know going from

648
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,120
grudge sign

649
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:53,200
blue book which were all literal

650
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:55,280
iterations of each other and now we have

651
00:22:00,070 --> 00:21:57,600
a tip and in this task force and whether

652
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,080
or not they are the same continuation

653
00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,559
you know like you said is foggy i don't

654
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,400
know it's so convoluted

655
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,799
honestly it is it is what always

656
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,880
concerns me too guys is the government

657
00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:09,600
funded

658
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,240
programs i mean right from the start

659
00:22:15,990 --> 00:22:13,760
like we know

660
00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,000
that something's gonna be hidden from us

661
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,480
probably for national security purposes

662
00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,360
but also because they can control the

663
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,280
information that gets out to us so while

664
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,200
a lot of people get excited about

665
00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:27,440
you know the uap task force and they say

666
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:29,679
you know disclosure's finally coming

667
00:22:35,830 --> 00:22:32,799
like has it is it i i mean we had

668
00:22:36,789 --> 00:22:35,840
some of the reports we had to get in the

669
00:22:38,390 --> 00:22:36,799
public sphere

670
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,400
through leaks from the actual

671
00:22:42,149 --> 00:22:40,559
intelligence agencies which i'm sure

672
00:22:43,909 --> 00:22:42,159
we'll talk about but um

673
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,919
yeah yeah i'm just as confused as you

674
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:45,360
guys are when i heard about the task

675
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:46,880
force i'm like am i supposed to know

676
00:22:51,350 --> 00:22:47,919
about this

677
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:51,360
as a ufo researcher or what's going on

678
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:51,760
here

679
00:22:55,029 --> 00:22:53,039
well and again based on the mixed

680
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:55,039
messaging and just just all the

681
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:56,960
confusion out there surrounding this

682
00:23:00,549 --> 00:22:59,919
a lot of what we a lot of people know

683
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:00,559
and

684
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,640
the uap task force

685
00:23:08,230 --> 00:23:07,440
is all from rumor and speculation right

686
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,240
and a lot of it

687
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,720
is based off of that intelligence

688
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,080
authorization act

689
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,679
because that's where we first had

690
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,360
mentions of this

691
00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:18,640
as part of a possible request that may

692
00:23:21,350 --> 00:23:19,280
or may not

693
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:21,360
ever happen you know this thing got

694
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,640
passed around from

695
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,280
bill to build a bill and still hasn't

696
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:27,200
passed and the one it's currently

697
00:23:31,510 --> 00:23:28,960
maybe part of we don't even know if it's

698
00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,520
part of and even if that passes we don't

699
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:33,760
know if this request for this report is

700
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:35,600
even going to happen

701
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,960
um but in that see i think that

702
00:23:42,390 --> 00:23:40,960
was the root of everybody assuming that

703
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,400
this was going to be

704
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:44,080
yay they're going to share ufo

705
00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:45,760
information with the public simply

706
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:46,559
because

707
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:49,279
in the wording of that it said that a

708
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:50,240
report

709
00:23:53,669 --> 00:23:52,880
should be issued in an unclassified

710
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:53,679
format

711
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:55,279
that doesn't mean that they're giving

712
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,720
all the information to the public it

713
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,760
just means that report's going to be

714
00:24:01,750 --> 00:23:59,760
unclassified so yeah i mean through

715
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,760
foia maybe eventually people would be

716
00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:04,240
able to to get a copy of it

717
00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:05,760
and see what they were up to but it

718
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:07,200
doesn't mean they're sharing information

719
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:08,000
with the public

720
00:24:11,590 --> 00:24:10,480
that's that's nothing they have said

721
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:11,600
publicly

722
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,240
has indicated that's part of their their

723
00:24:17,830 --> 00:24:16,000
operating procedure that's their mission

724
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:17,840
to be transparent and share ufo

725
00:24:21,190 --> 00:24:19,440
information with the public

726
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:21,200
you know we've heard that from various

727
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,799
sources talking about how

728
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,480
senators are getting interested and the

729
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:25,919
government's getting interested in the

730
00:24:30,390 --> 00:24:28,000
military wants to be transparent

731
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:30,400
but none of their messaging has hinted

732
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:31,440
at all

733
00:24:35,190 --> 00:24:33,279
about any of that so we're just going

734
00:24:37,669 --> 00:24:35,200
off of rumor and speculation

735
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,679
at this point when it comes to the uap

736
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,520
task force itself

737
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:41,760
we don't know that much and again people

738
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,799
are getting confused with the

739
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:44,159
intelligence authorization act i've

740
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,200
heard comments

741
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:47,919
recently about people saying that

742
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:49,760
they're waiting on that to pass

743
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,600
for a budget to be created for the uap

744
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,039
task force however

745
00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:54,799
we've been told uap task force has been

746
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:57,120
ongoing and it's currently operating

747
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,640
clearly it has money it's not waiting on

748
00:25:02,470 --> 00:25:00,880
a budget and if you looked at that

749
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,480
document when it was issued

750
00:25:05,750 --> 00:25:05,120
that had the section about the uap task

751
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,760
force

752
00:25:08,630 --> 00:25:07,279
again it didn't talk about creating a

753
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:08,640
task force it said they support the

754
00:25:12,310 --> 00:25:09,840
efforts of the task force

755
00:25:13,909 --> 00:25:12,320
implying that it was already running and

756
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,919
there wasn't a budget line in there that

757
00:25:17,590 --> 00:25:14,799
i saw

758
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:17,600
specifically for the uab task force so i

759
00:25:21,029 --> 00:25:19,760
think that again is just speculation

760
00:25:23,110 --> 00:25:21,039
that that has anything to do with

761
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:23,120
creating a budget for the uap task force

762
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,159
but again we don't

763
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,640
know just because we have very limited

764
00:25:30,070 --> 00:25:28,080
information to work with here

765
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,080
all right let's move on to our next

766
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,240
story we are at number six

767
00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,559
and that is venus i'm sure all you

768
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:35,440
remember the

769
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:37,360
big hype about venus and all the

770
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,720
excitement that caused

771
00:25:41,990 --> 00:25:40,559
maureen what was so exciting about venus

772
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,000
this year well we finally

773
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:44,960
uh figured out that women are from venus

774
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:45,279
now

775
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:49,840
um yeah so it was back on september 14th

776
00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:50,320
that the

777
00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,279
royal astronomical society held a press

778
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:55,120
conference to announce the discovery of

779
00:25:58,870 --> 00:25:56,159
a rare molecule

780
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,880
called phosphine in the clouds of venus

781
00:26:02,789 --> 00:26:00,720
so the press release explained that

782
00:26:05,110 --> 00:26:02,799
on earth this gas is only made

783
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:05,120
industrially or by microbes that thrive

784
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:05,360
in

785
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,039
oxygen free environments mit scientist

786
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,799
dr william baines who was part of the

787
00:26:13,990 --> 00:26:12,159
press conference explained that there

788
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:14,000
are two possibilities

789
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,159
one there could be some completely

790
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:17,760
unknown reaction that is creating

791
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,480
phosphate

792
00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:20,320
or the more exciting one that it could

793
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:21,520
be life

794
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:25,840
and we know all too well that anytime

795
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,159
any sort of space news comes out that

796
00:26:32,390 --> 00:26:29,840
hints at some sort of

797
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:32,400
revelation about extraterrestrial life

798
00:26:36,950 --> 00:26:34,320
the media goes nuts

799
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,960
and there was a extreme explosion of

800
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,640
headlines around the world

801
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,640
that claim that alien life has been

802
00:26:43,669 --> 00:26:42,000
discovered

803
00:26:45,029 --> 00:26:43,679
and we certainly saw that with this

804
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:45,039
particular story

805
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:48,320
and you know all the the newspaper is

806
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:49,200
reporting that

807
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:52,320
that life was found in the clouds of

808
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:55,679
venus so um think about a thriving cloud

809
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:56,559
city

810
00:27:01,669 --> 00:27:00,080
sort of of of microbial life but um

811
00:27:03,669 --> 00:27:01,679
you know all research like this the

812
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:03,679
findings were met with skepticism almost

813
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,559
immediately

814
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,640
and even now the researchers behind this

815
00:27:10,310 --> 00:27:08,000
particular story have

816
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:10,320
downgraded their claims after re

817
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:11,919
analyzing the data

818
00:27:15,590 --> 00:27:13,679
so the phosphine levels appear to be

819
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,600
almost seven times lower than

820
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:18,000
they originally reported which is quite

821
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:18,880
a bit

822
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:21,039
but the team is still confident that

823
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:22,000
there is gas

824
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,200
there and as they originally stated

825
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:28,080
much more research is needed so and this

826
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:29,520
is one of those headlines also that

827
00:27:33,750 --> 00:27:30,480
completely

828
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:33,760
overtook everything for about a week

829
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:35,760
and then disappeared in and nobody talks

830
00:27:39,269 --> 00:27:36,960
about it anymore and

831
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,279
always the same with these these news

832
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:41,039
stories reporting extraterrestrial life

833
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:41,600
is

834
00:27:45,029 --> 00:27:43,120
people get super hyped on them and then

835
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,039
kind of forget about them and oh

836
00:27:48,870 --> 00:27:47,520
great so it's important it's important

837
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:48,880
to do the follow-up too

838
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,640
i mean as we've said there's been so

839
00:27:53,669 --> 00:27:52,799
much more that these stories are ongoing

840
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,679
this research

841
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:55,840
research like this is constantly

842
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,919
evolving and moving forward

843
00:28:01,510 --> 00:28:00,080
and this one there's been new

844
00:28:03,669 --> 00:28:01,520
developments with the story

845
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,679
yet very few have reported on it because

846
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:05,919
it's far less sexy to say

847
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:09,360
actually the big news we hyped earlier

848
00:28:12,950 --> 00:28:11,919
isn't as sexy as we claimed it was it's

849
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,960
still cool

850
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,600
but not as sexy i mean there hasn't been

851
00:28:19,350 --> 00:28:17,360
that follow-up so still i'm sure

852
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:19,360
everybody who got excited about those

853
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,200
initial articles are still thinking

854
00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:22,720
they're aliens on venus

855
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:26,080
yeah and and you know with all of these

856
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:28,080
and we've seen this with enceladus and a

857
00:28:32,789 --> 00:28:29,120
lot of other

858
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,799
planets this is is very exciting news

859
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:35,039
and we continue to find developments

860
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,000
um you know even on earth where life is

861
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,559
existing in conditions that we thought

862
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,240
previously impossible

863
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,000
and and that's the exciting part about

864
00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:46,320
this because we need to and as we always

865
00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,440
say

866
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:50,159
life can't survive in this atmosphere as

867
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,360
we know it

868
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:53,440
but we don't know everything we're we're

869
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,720
quite uh

870
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:57,039
minimal in our knowledge of we know very

871
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:58,240
little yeah

872
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:02,000
absolutely yeah all right our next story

873
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:06,720
for number seven japan has a ufo policy

874
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,960
ryan tell us about japan's ufo policy

875
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:10,000
yeah it's pretty cool

876
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:12,480
uh september 8th during a press

877
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:13,440
conference

878
00:29:17,350 --> 00:29:15,679
taro kono the defense minister of japan

879
00:29:20,389 --> 00:29:17,360
he was asked if he had

880
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,399
a ufo policy and if japan was looking to

881
00:29:24,870 --> 00:29:22,720
cooperate with the us in the future

882
00:29:26,549 --> 00:29:24,880
and uh minister kono said he planned to

883
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,559
address a ufo policy

884
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:29,120
soon in that he and the u.s secretary of

885
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,360
defense mark esper talked about it

886
00:29:34,549 --> 00:29:33,919
but he wouldn't elaborate beyond that um

887
00:29:36,630 --> 00:29:34,559
then

888
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,640
on september 14th about a week later

889
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,880
media outlets in japan reported that

890
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,000
minister kono

891
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:42,159
had issued official protocols for

892
00:29:46,549 --> 00:29:44,159
japan's self-defense forces

893
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:46,559
to follow uh when dealing with

894
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,480
unidentified aerial objects that would

895
00:29:52,310 --> 00:29:50,640
pose a national security threat

896
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:52,320
and uh these are pretty straightforward

897
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:54,320
you know try to record and photograph

898
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,520
the ufos

899
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:58,080
uh take steps for necessary analysis of

900
00:30:01,029 --> 00:29:59,039
a sighting

901
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:01,039
and uh including all information

902
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,320
provided separately

903
00:30:06,950 --> 00:30:05,200
by the public so minister kono he

904
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:06,960
recently stated that he

905
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,480
does not believe in ufos and he's been

906
00:30:15,190 --> 00:30:12,080
saying this for many many years

907
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,200
and he asserts that no sdf pilot has

908
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,240
ever encountered a ufo in japan

909
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:21,039
but he has these protocols in place so

910
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:22,159
that they're ready if

911
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:25,039
when they do encounter a ufo there is a

912
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:26,159
protocol so

913
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,679
you know while he personally doesn't

914
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,600
believe in it or uh

915
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:31,919
says that no pilot in japan has ever

916
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:33,360
encountered a ufo

917
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:40,470
there's a safety net now so if you call

918
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:41,520
that progress

919
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:43,840
great but um this is pretty interesting

920
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:44,559
i mean hey

921
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:47,679
the us uh task force and uip and

922
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:48,159
everything

923
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:50,880
is trickling over to other countries and

924
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,480
in influencing the way they're looking

925
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,480
at it so that's my thoughts on it

926
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:56,399
it's cool yeah it's it's one of those

927
00:31:00,149 --> 00:30:57,600
things too where it's like

928
00:31:01,750 --> 00:31:00,159
look it's just an unknown object we're

929
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:01,760
not saying it's extraterrestrial in

930
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:03,519
nature you should have

931
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,559
every country should have some sort of

932
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:08,799
policy in place for how to report those

933
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,120
things

934
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:10,960
you think it's a no-brainer and if they

935
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:12,480
don't already have that that's

936
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:13,279
terrifying

937
00:31:17,110 --> 00:31:15,360
but it's what are they doing everyone's

938
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:17,120
hung up on the stigma so

939
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,480
you know he's saying i don't believe in

940
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:20,559
ufos you're saying you don't believe in

941
00:31:25,269 --> 00:31:23,519
in trying to figure out what an unknown

942
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,279
craft line through your airspace

943
00:31:28,950 --> 00:31:28,159
yeah i'm sorry that's not you know if

944
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,960
you ask me

945
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:31,519
he's failing at his job miserably by

946
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:32,880
saying that

947
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:35,840
and and we like you said we know there

948
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:36,240
are

949
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:39,519
cases of pilots there seen

950
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,399
yes ufos that potentially by be

951
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,919
extraterrestrial in nature

952
00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:45,919
or maybe they're they're you know

953
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,200
neighbors uh

954
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,960
north korea or something you know like

955
00:31:53,509 --> 00:31:50,640
you don't know you have to

956
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:53,519
be able to figure that out or at least

957
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:54,399
try

958
00:31:57,990 --> 00:31:56,720
my biggest reaction to this story was

959
00:31:59,990 --> 00:31:58,000
just kind of laughing

960
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,000
that any country would look to us for

961
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:02,480
leadership when it comes to ufos

962
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,960
really give me a break no we have no

963
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,000
idea what we're doing

964
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:08,799
look look to france look to chile look

965
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:09,120
to

966
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:12,240
people who have those programs yes in a

967
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,279
non-stigma

968
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:15,440
environment yeah well something that i

969
00:32:19,190 --> 00:32:16,399
think

970
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,200
goes a long way in helping reduce that

971
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:21,279
stigma that still does surround the ufo

972
00:32:23,990 --> 00:32:21,919
topic

973
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:24,000
that's our number eight story the

974
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:26,240
release of the documentary film

975
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,919
the phenomenon morning you want to tell

976
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,440
us about the phenomenon

977
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:31,039
yeah of course and i hope everyone's

978
00:32:34,470 --> 00:32:32,640
seen it already but you know if you've

979
00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,480
watched ufo documentaries during the

980
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,159
past couple decades

981
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:38,640
chances are pretty good that you've seen

982
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:41,200
at least one of james fox's films

983
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,200
both out of the blue and i know what i

984
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:44,320
saw are some of the

985
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,480
i would say best most compelling

986
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:49,279
documentaries on the subject of ufos

987
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:52,000
in general um and he successfully

988
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,399
continued this trend with the phenomenon

989
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:56,240
which was released to the world on

990
00:33:00,549 --> 00:32:57,760
october 6th

991
00:33:01,269 --> 00:33:00,559
so the film's official description is

992
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,279
including

993
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:03,360
shocking never-before-seen testimony

994
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:04,960
from high-ranking government and

995
00:33:09,190 --> 00:33:06,480
military officials

996
00:33:09,990 --> 00:33:09,200
nasa astronauts and riveting footage the

997
00:33:12,470 --> 00:33:10,000
timely film

998
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,480
includes bombshell reveals about uap

999
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,880
incursions at nuclear weapon facilities

1000
00:33:17,590 --> 00:33:15,679
and

1001
00:33:19,750 --> 00:33:17,600
the monumental events behind the new

1002
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,760
york times recent disclosure of ufo

1003
00:33:23,029 --> 00:33:22,240
videos and the pentagon's classified ufo

1004
00:33:25,029 --> 00:33:23,039
program

1005
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,039
providing eye-opening evidence that

1006
00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:27,519
mankind is not alone in the universe

1007
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:30,159
senator harry reid says the phenomenon

1008
00:33:34,310 --> 00:33:31,519
makes the incredible

1009
00:33:35,669 --> 00:33:34,320
credible so we actually spoke to james

1010
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:35,679
on the rogue planet show

1011
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,640
the week of the release of the movie and

1012
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,559
he shared that uh prominent

1013
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,640
ufo researcher jacques valet was

1014
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,640
reluctant at first to contribute to the

1015
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:45,519
phenomenon

1016
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:47,840
but he when he saw what james was doing

1017
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,039
he eventually became

1018
00:33:52,149 --> 00:33:51,679
a producer and a consultant on this film

1019
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:52,159
and

1020
00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:54,240
valet now calls this the most credible

1021
00:34:00,149 --> 00:33:56,240
documentary ever made about

1022
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:00,159
ufos and i agree

1023
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:03,760
i think that yeah it's

1024
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:06,159
because we're looking at a timeline of

1025
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,799
events

1026
00:34:11,109 --> 00:34:08,720
and he includes a lot of really

1027
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:11,119
monumental cases from the past

1028
00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:12,960
and we get some never-before-seen

1029
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:14,720
footage of some of these events and

1030
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,560
interviews with with people that were

1031
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:17,760
related that

1032
00:34:24,629 --> 00:34:21,520
we have never seen and it comes off

1033
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,639
as so credible and i would show that to

1034
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,040
anybody that that like thinks that

1035
00:34:30,950 --> 00:34:29,760
the ufo uap community is completely

1036
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:30,960
crazy

1037
00:34:37,190 --> 00:34:34,879
and to show them why we

1038
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:37,200
as researchers are so intrigued and

1039
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:38,720
interested in what's going on in the

1040
00:34:43,349 --> 00:34:39,520
world

1041
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,359
and you know he even covers a case

1042
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:46,399
that is the rua

1043
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:49,760
the aerial school incident where

1044
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,040
it actually involves maybe beans

1045
00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:54,800
where most people would be like oh this

1046
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,320
is then the

1047
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,160
when you start bringing in actual

1048
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,640
physical organic entities people start

1049
00:35:04,390 --> 00:35:02,160
getting crazy

1050
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:04,400
but watch it because this is a very very

1051
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,839
curious case

1052
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:08,000
and it's with a ton of children and

1053
00:35:11,510 --> 00:35:09,040
their teachers

1054
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:11,520
and they have stuck to their stories for

1055
00:35:15,270 --> 00:35:12,240
for

1056
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:15,280
you know what it was 1994

1057
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:18,160
so less than 30 years but close yeah i

1058
00:35:22,870 --> 00:35:20,160
and i love how the the description

1059
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,880
states it riveting footage just like you

1060
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,400
you said there's so much footage

1061
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:27,119
in there that uh you know has never been

1062
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,359
seen or has rarely been seen

1063
00:35:32,950 --> 00:35:31,760
the interviews with people um present

1064
00:35:36,310 --> 00:35:32,960
day and

1065
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:36,320
uh back during john matthews

1066
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,599
yeah i don't remember ever crying at a

1067
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:41,680
ufo documentary before

1068
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:43,280
but and you guys right and you crying

1069
00:35:46,150 --> 00:35:45,119
you guys you know i'm pretty sensitive

1070
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,160
to begin with but

1071
00:35:49,589 --> 00:35:48,400
i cried twice during this one during the

1072
00:35:52,230 --> 00:35:49,599
ruiz zimbabwe

1073
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:52,240
part where the kids you know some 20

1074
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:53,839
something years later or whatever

1075
00:35:56,950 --> 00:35:56,240
um that was really powerful and then um

1076
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,960
hearing

1077
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,000
uh lonnie zamora's wife talk about how

1078
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:02,160
the sakura new mexico case

1079
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:05,040
like ruined his life and um his

1080
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:06,079
reputation

1081
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,520
and that he he was really like

1082
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,800
sad and james was able to like find all

1083
00:36:15,910 --> 00:36:14,800
these letters that people had written to

1084
00:36:18,550 --> 00:36:15,920
lonnie zamora

1085
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:18,560
like in you know help like telling him

1086
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,520
we believe you

1087
00:36:23,190 --> 00:36:21,760
we've seen these things so that was a

1088
00:36:26,550 --> 00:36:23,200
really powerful moment for me

1089
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,560
um james isn't just like shoot a talking

1090
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:27,440
head interview

1091
00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:30,560
and done like he was digging for years

1092
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:32,240
for some of this information

1093
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:34,160
and going to like the national archives

1094
00:36:37,829 --> 00:36:36,640
and getting things that no one's ever

1095
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,839
seen before so

1096
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,880
i mean i think harry reid's right and

1097
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,920
um valet is right this is probably the

1098
00:36:48,310 --> 00:36:44,720
most

1099
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,320
uh in-depth study we've ever had of the

1100
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,720
ufo phenomenon throughout the decades so

1101
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,480
kudos to james on that i know he's been

1102
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:54,240
working on it for god

1103
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,440
10 years and yeah i went through every

1104
00:37:02,069 --> 00:36:59,680
hurdle to get this thing made and then

1105
00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:02,079
up until including it not being in

1106
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:04,400
theaters during the pandemic which was

1107
00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:07,119
his bucket list dream but um yeah maybe

1108
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:08,560
they're still home that'll happen

1109
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:11,440
yeah i i hope i hope i hope so theaters

1110
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:11,760
are

1111
00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,839
or back up that it's re-released in

1112
00:37:17,510 --> 00:37:15,599
theaters and and you know what it's

1113
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,520
i think it's like ranking the number one

1114
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,960
documentary

1115
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:21,359
in the definitely in the us if not in

1116
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:22,560
the world

1117
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:25,599
wow um

1118
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:28,000
and which which is incredible and i

1119
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:29,760
think it sticks to that point that

1120
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,560
people are

1121
00:37:34,069 --> 00:37:32,880
starting to realize that there's more

1122
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,079
behind

1123
00:37:40,390 --> 00:37:37,119
this whole phenomenon that uh

1124
00:37:44,310 --> 00:37:40,400
then what they just see you know the woo

1125
00:37:46,710 --> 00:37:44,320
stuff so uh i love it and and

1126
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,720
yeah congrats to james i know that you

1127
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,400
know he got pretty emotional when we

1128
00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:50,880
interviewed him too i mean this is a

1129
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:53,359
very intense passion project for him

1130
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:54,880
that he's worked very hard on

1131
00:38:01,030 --> 00:37:58,480
and he's done a great service to the

1132
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:01,040
to the world i would say putting out

1133
00:38:05,670 --> 00:38:02,720
something that's not a complete

1134
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,680
pile of trash yeah yeah i love that

1135
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:06,400
movie and

1136
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:08,480
like you said i mean i'd recommend it to

1137
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,400
anybody you know for people

1138
00:38:14,230 --> 00:38:12,480
who are into this subject or people just

1139
00:38:14,950 --> 00:38:14,240
getting into it i think it does a really

1140
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,960
good job

1141
00:38:19,589 --> 00:38:17,760
of laying the groundwork going through

1142
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,599
chronologically essentially

1143
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,480
and uh you know presenting those facts

1144
00:38:26,710 --> 00:38:23,760
presenting witnesses

1145
00:38:27,430 --> 00:38:26,720
and and making it a digestible thing for

1146
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:27,440
anybody

1147
00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,119
really getting into it and for people

1148
00:38:31,910 --> 00:38:30,720
like us we're very familiar with pretty

1149
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:31,920
much everything that was covered in that

1150
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,480
film

1151
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,000
there are so many little nuggets in

1152
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:36,160
there that will surprise you

1153
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:38,560
certainly surprised me it was a fun ride

1154
00:38:42,150 --> 00:38:39,520
well

1155
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:42,160
we've reached number nine and that is

1156
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:43,040
that leaked

1157
00:38:47,510 --> 00:38:46,400
ufo photo shane go ahead and take this

1158
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,520
one all right

1159
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,839
so on december 2nd the newly launched

1160
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,000
media outlet the debrief

1161
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,800
they published an article entitled fast

1162
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:55,440
movers

1163
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:58,400
and trans-medium vehicles the pentagon's

1164
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:00,320
unidentified aerial phenomena

1165
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:03,359
task force that article revealed that

1166
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,520
two classified intelligence reports on

1167
00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,280
ufos have reportedly been

1168
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:09,359
widely distributed in the u.s

1169
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:11,119
intelligence community

1170
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:13,280
during the last couple of years and the

1171
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,280
reports reportedly contained clear

1172
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,119
photos of ufos

1173
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:19,040
well a day after this article came out

1174
00:39:21,430 --> 00:39:20,720
the debrief published a follow-up

1175
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,440
article that

1176
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:24,560
included one of these ufo photos and

1177
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:25,280
allegedly

1178
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,280
leaked by someone who would have

1179
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,920
received the intelligence report

1180
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,599
now although this ufo photo has

1181
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:33,520
apparently been floating around on the

1182
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:35,760
internet since may of this year

1183
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,599
and it's allegedly been in the

1184
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,760
possession of other individuals since of

1185
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,800
late of 2019 it was its publishing by

1186
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:43,760
the debrief

1187
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,839
along with additional details about the

1188
00:39:49,829 --> 00:39:47,440
incident itself

1189
00:39:51,670 --> 00:39:49,839
that launched it into the spotlight

1190
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:51,680
almost as soon as it was published

1191
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,680
internet slu seemingly solved the

1192
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:56,160
mystery asserting that the ufo in the

1193
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:57,920
photo is nothing more than a mylar

1194
00:40:03,510 --> 00:39:58,880
balloon

1195
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,520
shape of the object in the photo is

1196
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,440
seemingly a perfect match to the shape

1197
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:06,880
of a batman balloon

1198
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:09,920
balloons can and do reach those high

1199
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,960
altitudes

1200
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:13,040
where the jet would have been flying and

1201
00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:14,400
a batman balloon is

1202
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,720
unlikely something a fighter pilot has

1203
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,480
ever seen while flying

1204
00:40:22,230 --> 00:40:21,200
so a balloon is a logical explanation in

1205
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,240
this case

1206
00:40:25,510 --> 00:40:24,640
based on the information that's publicly

1207
00:40:27,910 --> 00:40:25,520
available

1208
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:27,920
however there is allegedly more

1209
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:29,599
information that goes along with this

1210
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,400
incident

1211
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,440
so if we ever get access to that data

1212
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,760
we can reevaluate and see if the balloon

1213
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:38,079
identification remains a plausible

1214
00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:39,839
explanation and i think that's a really

1215
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:42,319
important point based on the information

1216
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:43,119
we have

1217
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:51,280
with most ufo photos

1218
00:40:54,470 --> 00:40:53,680
but uh you know then take into account

1219
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:54,480
the

1220
00:40:59,750 --> 00:40:57,920
where it comes from

1221
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,760
you know those are all great uh

1222
00:41:04,230 --> 00:41:01,119
contributing pieces

1223
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,240
to this whole case in itself

1224
00:41:08,870 --> 00:41:07,200
but um you know when it comes to ufos

1225
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,880
and i i think you agree shane that when

1226
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:10,560
we we're dealing with

1227
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,640
ufo photos or videos and trying to

1228
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:13,920
identify things

1229
00:41:20,870 --> 00:41:17,119
a lot of people really like to overlook

1230
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,880
things that are good possibilities

1231
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:23,359
or are are reasonably logical

1232
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:24,560
conclusions

1233
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,000
and rather jump to something far out or

1234
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,920
extraterrestrial it's easier to make

1235
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,200
that jump to something

1236
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:33,760
incredible rather than looking at what

1237
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:35,760
is reasonably

1238
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:37,599
logically possible for the

1239
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,920
identification and in this case like we

1240
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,359
said

1241
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,200
all these things certainly could explain

1242
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:45,200
a balloon but

1243
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,640
we weren't there um i'm still mesmerized

1244
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,319
and kind of confused that a pilot was

1245
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:52,880
able to capture a photo like that

1246
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,599
in an f-18 flying at 600 miles an hour

1247
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,800
or whatever they were doing

1248
00:42:01,109 --> 00:41:58,880
at their cruising speed and still

1249
00:42:01,589 --> 00:42:01,119
managed to get a solid object like that

1250
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,599
i mean

1251
00:42:04,790 --> 00:42:03,200
i've never been able to do that with

1252
00:42:07,750 --> 00:42:04,800
with my phone

1253
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,760
driving 60 down the freeway so it's

1254
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,960
still kind of confusing and

1255
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,960
i thought it was really cool that uh on

1256
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,640
the holiday episode

1257
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:15,680
of the mystery wire podcast george knapp

1258
00:42:18,390 --> 00:42:16,240
did

1259
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,400
clear up some confusion about that

1260
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,839
because he said

1261
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:21,680
you know and a lot of people had heard

1262
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:23,839
that george had allegedly been

1263
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:27,680
in possession of this photo since 2019

1264
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,079
and a lot of people found that curious

1265
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:31,760
but he clarified that when

1266
00:42:37,030 --> 00:42:34,800
he heard the this photo had been leaked

1267
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:37,040
um and heard that it was a photo taken

1268
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,000
from a cockpit

1269
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,000
a fighter jet of an object out the

1270
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,640
window he assumed it was the same photo

1271
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,640
and he he had looked at the photo that

1272
00:42:48,950 --> 00:42:46,400
he is in possession of

1273
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,960
um in some time but when he actually

1274
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:50,480
pulled it out and took a look at it he

1275
00:42:52,710 --> 00:42:52,000
realized it's a completely different

1276
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:52,720
photo

1277
00:42:57,990 --> 00:42:56,400
the same incident but it's it's a

1278
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:58,000
different photo it's not the same

1279
00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,079
photo that we've seen publicly and he

1280
00:43:04,069 --> 00:43:01,920
also clarified it's not

1281
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:04,079
the other photo that was mentioned in

1282
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,359
the debrief article

1283
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,200
about uh with this triangle object

1284
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,880
seemingly coming out of the ocean

1285
00:43:12,630 --> 00:43:11,200
so it's not that either but he does have

1286
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,640
this other photo

1287
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,400
that looks similar to the one that was

1288
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,560
released but it's not that it's a

1289
00:43:20,150 --> 00:43:18,880
different a photo of a different object

1290
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:20,160
so that's kind of

1291
00:43:25,829 --> 00:43:23,520
interesting and george is

1292
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,839
a journalist first and foremost and he

1293
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:27,920
knows that and wanted to clear that up

1294
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:30,319
so george always uh you know is good

1295
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,599
about that about

1296
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:33,280
following up stories following up his

1297
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,880
statements to clarify

1298
00:43:38,309 --> 00:43:36,720
things to make sure that people are

1299
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,319
working with the full picture so

1300
00:43:41,349 --> 00:43:40,560
kudos to george on that yeah and he also

1301
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,359
he also

1302
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:43,680
um i think we should keep in mind his

1303
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:44,480
source

1304
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,640
said you cannot share the photo and he

1305
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,240
respected that because it'd be easy for

1306
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,760
him to just drop it

1307
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,920
tomorrow and everyone's like if you have

1308
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,520
it show us but

1309
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:55,040
again like it's the same with the

1310
00:43:59,910 --> 00:43:56,800
debrief the guys over there like

1311
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,920
they have sources for a reason so i mean

1312
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:02,560
i think as a journalist and those who

1313
00:44:06,550 --> 00:44:04,000
respect these journalists like

1314
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,560
just respect that like don't make all

1315
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,000
these conspiracy theories

1316
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,599
that like they're trying to muddy the

1317
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,520
waters or they're part of the

1318
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,520
disinformation no they're reporting on

1319
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,720
things when they can

1320
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,440
and i think too with this story jason

1321
00:44:21,670 --> 00:44:18,640
shannon maureen um

1322
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:21,680
it really showed how good

1323
00:44:28,150 --> 00:44:25,119
and smart and diligent the ufo community

1324
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,160
is in many respects we always bash on

1325
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,319
ufo people and say we're our own worst

1326
00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,760
enemy but in this case

1327
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:34,960
i mean within hours of that photo going

1328
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,280
online people were pretty much able to

1329
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:39,760
possibly determine what it was uh this

1330
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,200
batman mylar balloon

1331
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:43,200
and then you started having people doing

1332
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,240
tests of like

1333
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:46,720
oh well um i went outside and drove my

1334
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:48,800
car this miles per hour and took

1335
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:51,200
in like that's cool that we we have the

1336
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,800
ability to do that

1337
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:55,040
and um possibly it's a valuable resource

1338
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,400
it's a huge army it's great

1339
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:58,480
absolutely so for every bad thing we say

1340
00:45:03,030 --> 00:44:59,920
about the ufo community

1341
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,040
there is some good in there too i think

1342
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,560
and and this is frustrating too because

1343
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,119
i mean my my degree is in journalism and

1344
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:08,640
that's journalism 101

1345
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,520
i mean you have to respect the chain of

1346
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,960
command of your sources

1347
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,839
and and how you get your information and

1348
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:17,359
you have to be a trustworthy thing you

1349
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,079
can ruin your

1350
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:21,200
credibility in one word you know one

1351
00:45:25,109 --> 00:45:22,000
mention

1352
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:25,119
and so it's it's more of doing your due

1353
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:25,920
diligence

1354
00:45:30,069 --> 00:45:29,599
in reporting as a non-biased journalist

1355
00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:30,079
than it

1356
00:45:34,950 --> 00:45:32,720
is your commitment to the ufo community

1357
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,960
at this point otherwise you'd be in a

1358
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:35,839
spiral hole

1359
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:38,960
and i've got to say the second i saw the

1360
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:39,760
photo

1361
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,960
i did think balloon as well and it also

1362
00:45:45,750 --> 00:45:45,119
reminded me of those flying humanoid

1363
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,760
stories

1364
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:48,560
we used to get uh reported open minds a

1365
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:50,160
lot um

1366
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:53,520
that were uh what was it it was it like

1367
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,839
it was like a human drone thing or

1368
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,040
balloon yeah that big one yeah yeah yeah

1369
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,480
that definitely was one

1370
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,160
um the other one that always with mylar

1371
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:04,000
balloons makes me laugh is the shark

1372
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:05,119
remember the flower oh yeah yeah the

1373
00:46:09,430 --> 00:46:07,200
flying shark through the

1374
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:09,440
um and you so actually this is kind of

1375
00:46:13,750 --> 00:46:10,480
funny because

1376
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,760
i found a mylar shark that i had bought

1377
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:15,839
when that story came out for us to do a

1378
00:46:18,870 --> 00:46:17,040
test on like

1379
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:18,880
like ryan mentioned it's like go do that

1380
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,119
test but we had never put it together

1381
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:22,880
and so i just recently cleaned out my

1382
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:24,560
storage locker after 10 years

1383
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:27,599
and gave it to my nephew and we filled

1384
00:46:29,750 --> 00:46:28,240
it up

1385
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:29,760
and those things they're the ones that

1386
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,760
have a little remote control and they're

1387
00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,680
they're like very crappily made but they

1388
00:46:37,109 --> 00:46:35,760
have helium in them but use the remote

1389
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:37,119
to swish the tail

1390
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:40,079
and and uh are they for swimmers they're

1391
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:41,280
swimmers yeah i think

1392
00:46:46,710 --> 00:46:44,319
they're swimmers they are um and so i

1393
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,720
have video of it being used inside

1394
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,640
but the big thing is you are not

1395
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:50,079
supposed to bring them outside because

1396
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,200
if you do

1397
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,040
it's just gonna float up so that's what

1398
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:55,200
this particular case jason mentioned

1399
00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:57,760
did and it was seen from a commercial

1400
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:59,040
aircraft

1401
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,640
imagine looking out the window as you're

1402
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:02,800
flying and seeing a shark

1403
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:05,680
sharknado oh this is sharknado mine was

1404
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:06,240
a song

1405
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,560
what's going on mine was a zombie shark

1406
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:10,319
too so it had like blood all over its

1407
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,440
face and it was dead

1408
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:14,400
that's terrifying wow another thing with

1409
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:14,800
this

1410
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:19,040
the the uap task force right there

1411
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,640
they're at the center of this

1412
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:22,800
and something i pointed out is you know

1413
00:47:26,309 --> 00:47:24,079
it makes me

1414
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:26,319
a little concerned for the future of the

1415
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,680
task force

1416
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,760
because here they've only been operating

1417
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:31,440
for well we can't say because we have no

1418
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:32,160
idea

1419
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,000
but um you know at least for a couple

1420
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,920
years they've been been issuing these

1421
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
reports to the intelligence community

1422
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:40,720
and already information's leaking out

1423
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:42,800
that can't bode well for them yeah and

1424
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:43,839
also the uh

1425
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:46,079
the credibility of the investigations

1426
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,880
like if

1427
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:49,119
if they're you know really looking into

1428
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:50,400
a mylar balloon

1429
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,000
like is that the best they're coming up

1430
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,400
with i don't know absolutely and that's

1431
00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,520
a great point ryan

1432
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:58,559
and i i worry about the optics of that i

1433
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:02,400
get that because again the uap task

1434
00:48:06,309 --> 00:48:03,280
force is not

1435
00:48:07,750 --> 00:48:06,319
comprised of ufo researchers right these

1436
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,760
are just military people who are

1437
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:09,520
assigned to be in this role to look at

1438
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:11,920
ufo data or ufo information

1439
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:14,000
they don't have the background that we

1440
00:48:18,309 --> 00:48:15,760
do this is not something that they've

1441
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,319
done before i mean we've analyzed

1442
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:21,119
thousands of ufo photos and videos over

1443
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,400
our careers

1444
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,240
and it's something that we are highly

1445
00:48:28,549 --> 00:48:26,319
focused on and highly tuned to

1446
00:48:29,589 --> 00:48:28,559
we've seen various objects in the sky

1447
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,599
and we've seen

1448
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,200
what they've turned out to be after

1449
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:33,440
investigation these guys are going into

1450
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,480
a cold

1451
00:48:38,230 --> 00:48:36,480
and you know when you see weird stuff in

1452
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:38,240
the sky for the first time obviously

1453
00:48:40,390 --> 00:48:38,720
you're gonna go

1454
00:48:42,710 --> 00:48:40,400
wow i have no idea what that is that's

1455
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:42,720
bizarre no one's ever seen that before

1456
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:45,920
i mean these are sort of novices when it

1457
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:48,240
comes to this type of thing and they're

1458
00:48:51,190 --> 00:48:49,599
i think they're doing the best they have

1459
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,200
with the tools they have

1460
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:53,520
so it's not surprising to me because i

1461
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,800
can certainly attest

1462
00:48:58,790 --> 00:48:56,640
when i first started and started looking

1463
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:58,800
at ufo photos and videos

1464
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,680
everything looked extraterrestrial to me

1465
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:02,960
there's no way that that could be

1466
00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:04,480
anything man-made i've never seen

1467
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:05,440
anything like that

1468
00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:07,040
and obviously if something like that

1469
00:49:10,950 --> 00:49:09,200
were in the sky and and with something

1470
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,960
normal everybody would know about it

1471
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,800
they should be able to easily identify

1472
00:49:17,510 --> 00:49:13,200
that

1473
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:17,520
feel i feel really bad for the uap task

1474
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,000
force

1475
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,480
trying to do this and now sort of doing

1476
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:22,079
it on a public scale

1477
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:24,720
where eyeballs are on them and if it

1478
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:25,119
isn't

1479
00:49:28,309 --> 00:49:26,960
does in fact turn out to be a balloon

1480
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:28,319
they look kind of foolish being the

1481
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:30,079
government's ufo people and they can't

1482
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,559
even

1483
00:49:35,430 --> 00:49:33,599
tell that something is a balloon so i

1484
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:35,440
agree and that that that makes them look

1485
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:37,920
really bad but at the same time i get it

1486
00:49:42,790 --> 00:49:40,400
um it sucks that that if that is the

1487
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,800
case it was exposed on a public scale

1488
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:44,400
they should be able to to do that and

1489
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:45,680
learn in private

1490
00:49:49,589 --> 00:49:47,599
um but hopefully that doesn't uh

1491
00:49:50,950 --> 00:49:49,599
diminish the the project at all

1492
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,960
yeah and i was thinking due to something

1493
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,640
you said earlier jason about

1494
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,200
about it the story this story or stories

1495
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:57,119
like that and how people want to be in a

1496
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,559
rush to go to

1497
00:50:02,069 --> 00:50:00,960
hey it's you know extraterrestrial when

1498
00:50:05,190 --> 00:50:02,079
you think about it

1499
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,200
we certainly as the ufo community and

1500
00:50:09,349 --> 00:50:07,200
and probably a little you know a circle

1501
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,359
outside that

1502
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,680
we have been primed to kind of think

1503
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:12,880
that way

1504
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:15,440
so when i'm talking about like ttsa and

1505
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,400
they came out and

1506
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,359
we know in 2017 and we see these series

1507
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,119
of articles from the new york times and

1508
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,400
stuff so

1509
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,800
now we're kind it set a pattern and

1510
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:26,160
we're kind of interpreting

1511
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:29,280
as new as new reports come or or new

1512
00:50:34,150 --> 00:50:31,920
stories or new articles

1513
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:34,160
we're kind of primed from to have that

1514
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,680
kind of point of view

1515
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,760
um right up front and you know the

1516
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:39,760
debrief did a great job good

1517
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,079
article good research and all of those

1518
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,640
things however for me as an investigator

1519
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:47,359
you know i'm starving for so much more

1520
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:48,559
there's a point where you have to get

1521
00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,480
the story out and i get it and you can't

1522
00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:52,800
you know you're not gonna you know have

1523
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,440
the entire tome of data and all that

1524
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:57,920
but we have to temper our excitement

1525
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,440
when these things happen

1526
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:01,359
knowing that what we're hearing about is

1527
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,480
is at best

1528
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:05,839
preliminary you know and and you know

1529
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,880
it's it'll take thousands of hours and

1530
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:09,920
research and

1531
00:51:15,349 --> 00:51:12,720
and data collection and blah blah to to

1532
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:15,359
really nail some of these things down so

1533
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,359
i just i kind of when i see stories like

1534
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:18,720
this i'm like great cool

1535
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,000
but i'm not getting excited and i would

1536
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:23,839
love to hear the follow-up later like

1537
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,440
you're talking about earlier

1538
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,680
with guys like george knapp and stuff

1539
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:29,440
hey you know this is what we first

1540
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:30,480
thought but now

1541
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:32,240
you know this is an update this is what

1542
00:51:34,710 --> 00:51:34,240
the research has revealed and so forth

1543
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:34,720
so

1544
00:51:39,270 --> 00:51:36,800
you know like even the the the photo

1545
00:51:41,430 --> 00:51:39,280
itself and the metadata of that photo

1546
00:51:43,190 --> 00:51:41,440
you know that's just a basic one-on-one

1547
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:43,200
place to start and who took it and when

1548
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:44,720
and what time and what altitude what

1549
00:51:47,670 --> 00:51:46,400
were the gps coordinates and

1550
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,680
you know what were the lighting

1551
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:49,760
conditions and can we make a comparison

1552
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,359
and was it the wizzle in the back seat

1553
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:53,040
that took that photo or was it the pilot

1554
00:51:55,190 --> 00:51:53,599
in the front

1555
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,200
you know there's a billion little

1556
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:57,760
details that really

1557
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,720
will nail this thing but you can't rush

1558
00:52:03,510 --> 00:52:02,480
to judgment until you go through that

1559
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:03,520
process so

1560
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:05,839
just for me as a from an investigator i

1561
00:52:09,910 --> 00:52:06,559
kind of see it

1562
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,920
that way um although i think the most

1563
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:10,880
critical thing is

1564
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,880
investigative journalists that's what's

1565
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:14,640
going to cut through all this

1566
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,400
this stuff this confusion with the

1567
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:19,119
government and you know other articles

1568
00:52:22,710 --> 00:52:21,040
i mean those those are the guys again

1569
00:52:23,910 --> 00:52:22,720
they're the tip of the spear and that

1570
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:23,920
needs to happen but

1571
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,880
there really needs to be a great deal of

1572
00:52:31,589 --> 00:52:28,559
investigative push behind

1573
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:31,599
it and i will say i have to give huge

1574
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:32,000
props

1575
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,079
to the team at the debrief because

1576
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:38,960
i'm big fans of and especially tim tim

1577
00:52:42,630 --> 00:52:39,599
mcmillan

1578
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:42,640
is a journalist through and through

1579
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:45,200
nobody really right now pushes harder

1580
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,079
for sources

1581
00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:48,319
and information and verifying uh

1582
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,119
information

1583
00:52:52,870 --> 00:52:51,200
than tim does tim can be a pain in the

1584
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:52,880
ass and that's amazing

1585
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:54,640
for you know an amazing journalistic

1586
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:56,000
skill

1587
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,760
so i i mean i am i'm and ryan is is

1588
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:00,559
contributing to

1589
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:03,040
the debrief now um they've got a great

1590
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:04,640
team you know those are those are all

1591
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:05,359
our buds

1592
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:08,400
um who i envy their skills because

1593
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:12,640
um ryan mj binayas yes uh tim mcmillan

1594
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:15,680
and micah hanks you know are people

1595
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:19,760
who can just kind of vomit words

1596
00:53:23,750 --> 00:53:21,760
very quickly you know and that is a

1597
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:23,760
skill i don't have it takes me very long

1598
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:24,079
to

1599
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:27,280
writers uh

1600
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,960
doing that and i think we're going to

1601
00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:30,720
get some great stuff in the new year

1602
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,599
coming from that

1603
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,599
and it gives me confidence knowing them

1604
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,280
yes and knowing their integrity

1605
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,119
and just how journalistic they are and

1606
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:38,400
what they do

1607
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,680
um that they really are doing that extra

1608
00:53:44,230 --> 00:53:42,480
push

1609
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,240
to try to get the information to verify

1610
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:46,480
sources and verify the information that

1611
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:47,359
they are printing

1612
00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:49,680
so that's excellent love to those guys

1613
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:51,760
and and just to clarify

1614
00:53:55,349 --> 00:53:52,880
because i'm going to clarify this

1615
00:53:57,910 --> 00:53:55,359
because it came up on facebook

1616
00:53:58,870 --> 00:53:57,920
is you know jason and i were hosting a

1617
00:54:01,030 --> 00:53:58,880
podcast

1618
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,040
um earlier this year prior to the

1619
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:02,240
release of the debrief called the

1620
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:04,240
skinwalker debrief that was focused on

1621
00:54:07,109 --> 00:54:05,680
the skinwalker ranch and apparently

1622
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:07,119
there's some confusion people are

1623
00:54:11,349 --> 00:54:08,240
thinking

1624
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:11,359
that we are part of the debrief in that

1625
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,160
sense and no

1626
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:13,680
the two projects were completely

1627
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:15,200
unrelated and uh

1628
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:19,680
just happens to use the debrief in both

1629
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:23,359
random important conspiracy theorists

1630
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,480
will go wild

1631
00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,040
it's surprising that that yes that has

1632
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:27,839
happened

1633
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,440
all right and we've reached our number

1634
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,200
10 story and that

1635
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:34,319
is the galactic federation uh how could

1636
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:38,559
we not talk about

1637
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
ryan go why not why not right yep

1638
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,920
i mean this was as recent as december

1639
00:54:47,109 --> 00:54:45,280
2nd and uh

1640
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,119
again like many of the stories we

1641
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:48,960
covered you know it was the big thing

1642
00:54:51,589 --> 00:54:50,960
for the day and then poof kind of gone

1643
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,599
but um

1644
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,520
i do respect some of the follow-up done

1645
00:54:58,390 --> 00:54:55,599
by certain people who will get to but uh

1646
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,400
let's start here december 2nd an israeli

1647
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,799
newspaper published a story in hebrew

1648
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,160
that featured an interview with

1649
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:04,559
professor haim ashad a former head of

1650
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,480
israel's defense ministries space

1651
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:08,880
programs the interview contains shocking

1652
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:09,599
claims

1653
00:55:12,789 --> 00:55:11,680
from professor asha like the quote

1654
00:55:16,069 --> 00:55:12,799
unidentified flying

1655
00:55:18,789 --> 00:55:16,079
objects have asked not to publish

1656
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:18,799
that they are here humanity is not ready

1657
00:55:21,349 --> 00:55:19,200
yet

1658
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:21,359
end quote and quote there is an

1659
00:55:24,630 --> 00:55:22,240
agreement

1660
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,640
between the us government and the aliens

1661
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:26,720
they signed a contract with us to do

1662
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:30,160
experiments here end quote so the uh

1663
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,640
the jerusalem post was the first media

1664
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,160
outlet to run a story

1665
00:55:38,710 --> 00:55:36,880
about this interview in english and uh

1666
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:38,720
that set off a chain reaction of

1667
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:40,400
coverage by media outlets

1668
00:55:44,470 --> 00:55:42,160
around the world including here in the

1669
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:44,480
us fox cnn everyone was

1670
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,720
talking about this and the interview

1671
00:55:49,589 --> 00:55:48,240
with professor ashad was part of a

1672
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:49,599
publicity effort

1673
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,160
to promote a new book about him written

1674
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:53,599
by israeli writer

1675
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:56,480
hagar yanai titled the universe beyond

1676
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,359
the horizon

1677
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:00,480
talks with professor haimashat so

1678
00:56:06,150 --> 00:56:03,599
um yeah these headlines went crazy the

1679
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:06,160
galactic federation was the big thing

1680
00:56:10,710 --> 00:56:08,720
for a while um certain people have who

1681
00:56:11,589 --> 00:56:10,720
have pushed this narrative of there is a

1682
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:11,599
big galactic

1683
00:56:16,710 --> 00:56:14,559
federation were just eating this up and

1684
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,720
saying we were right all along

1685
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:19,760
and then filmmaker jeremy corbell he

1686
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:22,240
just interviewed the journalist who uh

1687
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,920
recently interviewed professor rashad

1688
00:56:26,230 --> 00:56:25,440
for the article that sparked all the

1689
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,240
attention

1690
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:28,319
and it provides some really good insight

1691
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,160
into the whole thing and um i would

1692
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,280
highly suggest

1693
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:32,799
people go watch that interview that

1694
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,799
jeremy did on his youtube channel

1695
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,400
if you haven't seen it because it does

1696
00:56:40,470 --> 00:56:38,480
clear up a lot of this and because the

1697
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:40,480
original article was in hebrew

1698
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,760
a lot got lost in translation and the uh

1699
00:56:47,109 --> 00:56:45,040
the professor

1700
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,119
is not really talking about it he's not

1701
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:49,280
taking fielding calls about this

1702
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:50,799
because he's overwhelmed by the

1703
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,720
attention it's gotten but um

1704
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,640
yeah what do you guys make of this i

1705
00:56:57,750 --> 00:56:56,160
would keep watching jeremy's channel

1706
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:57,760
because i i do think that he'll have an

1707
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,040
interview with you soon

1708
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,960
i know he's trying really hard so i

1709
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,319
think that'll happen

1710
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,160
uh but you know right from the start i

1711
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:05,520
was surprised to see

1712
00:57:11,910 --> 00:57:08,880
as many people as i did sort of

1713
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,920
equating this to paul hellyer and i

1714
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,200
think that is very apt

1715
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:16,000
in this situation it really is you know

1716
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,640
you've got

1717
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:19,680
a an accomplished respected government

1718
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,880
person here

1719
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:24,000
who's making these incredible claims but

1720
00:57:27,990 --> 00:57:27,119
really we find that most of it as we

1721
00:57:30,630 --> 00:57:28,000
expected

1722
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:30,640
is just you know him reciting things

1723
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:31,359
that

1724
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,480
in ufo lore

1725
00:57:40,789 --> 00:57:38,240
um things that you know other people

1726
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,799
have told him so that's that's not

1727
00:57:43,990 --> 00:57:42,160
uncommon it's really not

1728
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:44,000
and and you know apparently like i know

1729
00:57:48,069 --> 00:57:46,079
that there were a lot of like twitter

1730
00:57:49,829 --> 00:57:48,079
or not twitter reddit threads going nuts

1731
00:57:53,109 --> 00:57:49,839
on this because they were like

1732
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:53,119
he's basically just talking about he's

1733
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,599
heard you know these bill cooper stories

1734
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,920
conspiracy theories about the eisenhower

1735
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:59,520
and then reciting things that laura

1736
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:00,960
eisenhower has said the

1737
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,040
the uh and and these are people who

1738
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:08,640
are extremely fringe in their beliefs

1739
00:58:15,990 --> 00:58:12,000
and so that lost in translation part

1740
00:58:18,470 --> 00:58:16,000
from hebrew to english is definitely

1741
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,480
a huge factor in this and and yeah good

1742
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:20,160
on jeremy for

1743
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,160
for kind of getting that interview with

1744
00:58:27,510 --> 00:58:24,799
with the journalists because

1745
00:58:28,789 --> 00:58:27,520
i think we all knew like this is not

1746
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:28,799
quite what it seems

1747
00:58:33,750 --> 00:58:31,839
what what what is being said here and

1748
00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,760
and yeah again this is a story that had

1749
00:58:36,789 --> 00:58:35,359
my phone blowing up again

1750
00:58:38,870 --> 00:58:36,799
maureen what's going on with this

1751
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,880
galactic federation what is this what's

1752
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,160
happening

1753
00:58:43,829 --> 00:58:42,640
is this real i'm like don't read

1754
00:58:45,670 --> 00:58:43,839
anything into it

1755
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:45,680
this this has been said by other people

1756
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:46,880
before and it's

1757
00:58:53,349 --> 00:58:50,319
not very credible so i i think that

1758
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:53,359
that yeah that due diligence as a

1759
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,839
journalist to like get in there and

1760
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,119
clarify

1761
00:59:01,510 --> 00:59:00,000
sensational news is super important and

1762
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,520
and i'm glad that we have people like

1763
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:03,520
jeremy and other people who are

1764
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:06,240
going back and doing that yeah yeah and

1765
00:59:08,549 --> 00:59:06,880
i think too

1766
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,559
like this is one of those stories that's

1767
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,799
going to end 2020

1768
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,559
and it's one of the most sensational and

1769
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:14,720
it puts us back three steps every time

1770
00:59:18,470 --> 00:59:15,920
we have something

1771
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,480
good happen in this field it seems like

1772
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:19,920
something comes

1773
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:22,640
right after to kind of discredit it so i

1774
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:24,799
mean it's frustrating in one way

1775
00:59:28,470 --> 00:59:26,720
in another i mean it keeps the

1776
00:59:31,430 --> 00:59:28,480
conversation going but

1777
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:31,440
uh again i think follow-up that's

1778
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:33,440
something tim's doing at the debrief

1779
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,680
we haven't heard the last of those two

1780
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:37,520
uap task force reports

1781
00:59:41,430 --> 00:59:39,200
i know that for a fact we're gonna get

1782
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,440
follow-up and same with jeremy like if

1783
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,280
we can hear from this professor

1784
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,200
then that'll be awesome to finally like

1785
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:47,119
put this to rest like

1786
00:59:50,549 --> 00:59:48,880
is this something you read in a book or

1787
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,559
heard in an interview or do you

1788
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,960
firmly believe that uh you know trump

1789
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,880
was gonna disclose this information and

1790
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:55,760
the aliens said

1791
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:58,240
hey put the brakes on there mr i don't

1792
01:00:03,190 --> 00:59:58,799
know

1793
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,200
that this the the trump comments came

1794
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:06,880
at a very crucial election

1795
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,520
where maybe he's of the opinion that

1796
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:11,760
that trump is the right person to be

1797
01:00:17,510 --> 01:00:15,680
ruling the u.s and he was thinking

1798
01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:17,520
maybe this will help in all these

1799
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:19,200
lawsuits and battles people will be like

1800
01:00:21,829 --> 01:00:19,599
oh

1801
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:21,839
wait wait trump's going to reveal ufos

1802
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:23,200
maybe we should go into that

1803
01:00:26,710 --> 01:00:25,839
who knows what that mindset was for that

1804
01:00:29,829 --> 01:00:26,720
particular

1805
01:00:31,829 --> 01:00:29,839
presidential comment um or whether it

1806
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:31,839
was just based on the fact that the

1807
01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:35,760
the as as jason phrased ufo lore

1808
01:00:38,789 --> 01:00:37,839
of this galactic federation and

1809
01:00:41,430 --> 01:00:38,799
agreement with

1810
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:41,440
with extraterrestrials was based on this

1811
01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:43,040
whole eisenhower thing

1812
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,760
um so who knows and and yeah like you

1813
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,079
said

1814
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:49,119
one step forward uh two steps back uh

1815
01:00:52,710 --> 01:00:50,400
without with our uh

1816
01:00:53,829 --> 01:00:52,720
progress in making this a legitimate

1817
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:53,839
subject

1818
01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:57,040
but also like galactic federation i mean

1819
01:01:01,109 --> 01:00:58,720
if we're me

1820
01:01:02,069 --> 01:01:01,119
that seems a little too english of a

1821
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,079
terminology

1822
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,359
that like unless it was created by the

1823
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:07,359
the us to say you're now called the

1824
01:01:11,270 --> 01:01:08,960
galactic federation

1825
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:11,280
i mean yeah aliens aren't speaking

1826
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:12,400
english come on

1827
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,920
yeah it's almost as dumb as uh calling

1828
01:01:19,349 --> 01:01:17,760
people from the space force guardians oh

1829
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:19,359
i saw that today

1830
01:01:23,270 --> 01:01:20,880
i was hoping they're the guardians of

1831
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:23,280
the galaxy

1832
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,960
i mean everything they're doing is is

1833
01:01:27,670 --> 01:01:26,400
just like entertainment

1834
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,680
they're making them out to be such a

1835
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,440
joke yeah it's just like

1836
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:32,160
yay president trump is a sci-fi fan and

1837
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,839
he thinks this is all cool and fun so

1838
01:01:36,150 --> 01:01:34,640
let's have a space

1839
01:01:39,190 --> 01:01:36,160
force let's have them be guardians of

1840
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,200
the galaxy

1841
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:41,040
back to this story about the galactic

1842
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:42,480
federation and about

1843
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,520
professor ashed um again back to the

1844
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:46,799
point of

1845
01:01:51,510 --> 01:01:49,359
the language problem here and about the

1846
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:51,520
root being in hebrew

1847
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,319
it made very difficult the task of

1848
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:56,319
trying to verify details

1849
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,440
um even about the professor himself

1850
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:01,520
you saw that all the all the articles

1851
01:02:05,670 --> 01:02:02,480
that were written

1852
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:05,680
by nbc and every major outlet around the

1853
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,559
world

1854
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:08,880
they were essentially reciting things

1855
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:11,280
that the jerusalem posted said

1856
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:13,920
or you know kind of finding bits and

1857
01:02:17,829 --> 01:02:15,440
pieces here and there

1858
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:17,839
but really finding anything about the

1859
01:02:21,829 --> 01:02:18,880
guy on the internet

1860
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:21,839
is incredibly challenging there's really

1861
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:22,400
nothing

1862
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:25,440
there certainly in english

1863
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,799
that's a big problem the israeli

1864
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:31,839
space program is not a major space

1865
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,720
program

1866
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,319
yes they've made huge strides they've

1867
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,760
done a lot with satellites and things

1868
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:37,680
but they are not a major player when it

1869
01:02:41,349 --> 01:02:38,640
comes to

1870
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:41,359
space so that might play a part in it

1871
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,559
but there is really not

1872
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,799
a whole lot written about this guy in

1873
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:46,799
the english language

1874
01:02:50,230 --> 01:02:49,200
even his wikipedia page and you know as

1875
01:02:52,150 --> 01:02:50,240
a researcher this

1876
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,160
this would raise flags if this is all

1877
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,200
there was even a wikipedia

1878
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:57,200
the english wikipedia page for this guy

1879
01:03:02,230 --> 01:02:58,960
was only created in december

1880
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:02,240
after the story had dropped so that

1881
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:05,280
seems fishy but there is one on the

1882
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:06,319
hebrew version

1883
01:03:09,829 --> 01:03:08,079
of wikipedia that of course has been

1884
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:09,839
there but uh

1885
01:03:13,109 --> 01:03:11,760
even in english some of the only stuff

1886
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,119
that's out there about him

1887
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:15,200
has his first name spelled differently

1888
01:03:18,470 --> 01:03:16,880
and again maybe that's a translation

1889
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:18,480
thing between hebrew and english that

1890
01:03:22,470 --> 01:03:19,440
could be

1891
01:03:26,710 --> 01:03:22,480
you know similar with his first name

1892
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:26,720
h a i am and then kym c-h-a-i-m

1893
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:29,200
so the discrepancy there between even

1894
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:30,400
how to spell his name

1895
01:03:34,150 --> 01:03:32,640
is kind of weird so you could get all

1896
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:34,160
conspiratorial with this story too and

1897
01:03:37,829 --> 01:03:35,200
how real it is

1898
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:37,839
but we know it's real there is a book if

1899
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,960
i've read hebrew

1900
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,960
i would buy the book and read it but

1901
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,240
some people have done that and

1902
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:44,079
highlighted the passages and translated

1903
01:03:47,990 --> 01:03:44,640
it

1904
01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:48,000
kind of read

1905
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,920
some of the stuff that's in the book but

1906
01:03:53,349 --> 01:03:51,599
it doesn't seem all that exciting i

1907
01:03:55,270 --> 01:03:53,359
don't know from the stuff i've seen

1908
01:03:57,510 --> 01:03:55,280
so it's been said that like a third of

1909
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,520
the book is about ufos and aliens but

1910
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,880
you know the stuff i've seen translated

1911
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,039
seems very mild but uh

1912
01:04:06,390 --> 01:04:04,400
again it's a story that uh was all too

1913
01:04:09,029 --> 01:04:06,400
ripe for the picking for the press

1914
01:04:09,829 --> 01:04:09,039
and uh fortunately people like jeremy

1915
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:09,839
are out there and

1916
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:11,839
and we'll keep follow-ups with this

1917
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,039
story coming so

1918
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:16,160
excited for that well that is our 10

1919
01:04:19,990 --> 01:04:16,960
stories

1920
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:20,000
but i will throw in a couple honorable

1921
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,359
mentions here

1922
01:04:25,190 --> 01:04:24,240
because it was a long year it was a

1923
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,200
weird year

1924
01:04:29,430 --> 01:04:28,480
a lot of things happened but uh we did a

1925
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:29,440
lot of things

1926
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:32,319
here at rogue planet it feels weird like

1927
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,680
they didn't actually happen this year

1928
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:35,760
but they did

1929
01:04:39,990 --> 01:04:37,599
we did our own virtual conference called

1930
01:04:43,190 --> 01:04:40,000
all the strange that happened this year

1931
01:04:44,150 --> 01:04:43,200
um and you know tooting our our horn

1932
01:04:46,069 --> 01:04:44,160
here

1933
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:46,079
i think it was pretty awesome i do too

1934
01:04:52,710 --> 01:04:47,839
it was it was awesome

1935
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:52,720
it was so fun man yeah so it sucked

1936
01:05:02,710 --> 01:05:00,950
you do you do that's why we have you

1937
01:05:08,390 --> 01:05:02,720
here yes we needed it it was great

1938
01:05:11,349 --> 01:05:08,400
it said journalism 101 degree yeah

1939
01:05:12,870 --> 01:05:11,359
so we did our all the strange conference

1940
01:05:14,870 --> 01:05:12,880
we also had

1941
01:05:16,390 --> 01:05:14,880
shane's book release shane released his

1942
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,400
first book this year yeah

1943
01:05:21,029 --> 01:05:19,280
yeah that was awesome jason for helping

1944
01:05:23,029 --> 01:05:21,039
me do that that was awesome

1945
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:23,039
but then ryan also released a book this

1946
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:24,240
year so yay right

1947
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,480
ryan just doing my small golf clap here

1948
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,799
and we also as you mentioned earlier

1949
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,079
maureen we did

1950
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:35,440
a skinwalker ranch podcast um you know

1951
01:05:39,910 --> 01:05:36,720
sort of in conjunction

1952
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,920
with the skinwalker ranch tv show so

1953
01:05:42,950 --> 01:05:41,359
that happened this year that seems like

1954
01:05:45,670 --> 01:05:42,960
so long ago but yeah

1955
01:05:46,950 --> 01:05:45,680
that happened too so we we had a busy

1956
01:05:49,670 --> 01:05:46,960
year here at rogue planet

1957
01:05:50,870 --> 01:05:49,680
yep yes i barely remember what day of

1958
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:50,880
the week it is

1959
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,079
uh lately and yeah this year has

1960
01:05:58,230 --> 01:05:56,720
completely i think turned everyone up on

1961
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,240
end so

1962
01:06:01,990 --> 01:06:00,240
i mean it's not like we're rolling over

1963
01:06:04,309 --> 01:06:02,000
to 2021 uh

1964
01:06:05,349 --> 01:06:04,319
and it'll be this magical new fresh year

1965
01:06:08,950 --> 01:06:05,359
but

1966
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:08,960
i i hope for f's sake that uh

1967
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,000
things improve here soon don't we all

1968
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:15,440
well guys i want to thank you all for

1969
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,039
taking the time to run through these

1970
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stories today i always love it when we

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can all get together

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and and do these these group shows so

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thank you

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first of all of course and before we

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wrap up today i want to let everybody

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know about changes coming to this show

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starting in the new year unknown is

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going to shift to a monthly schedule

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and each month we'll highlight and recap

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some of the

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noteworthy stories from that month of

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course we'll throw in occasional ufo

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happy hour

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episodes here and there but mostly we'll

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release new episodes on a monthly

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schedule

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and to satisfy your ufo appetite you

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always have ryan's weekly show somewhere

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in the skies

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make sure you're subscribed to that show

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if you're not already

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well citizens that's going to do it for

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this episode you can find more episodes

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of unknown on all the major podcast

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platforms

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and you can always find this show and

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our other shows at realplanet.tv

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because unknown is a rogue planet

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production rogueplanet.tv is your home

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for all the strange thanks for riding

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along with us during this weird year

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happy holidays to you and yours and

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thanks again for hanging out today

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i'm jason mcclellan i'm maureen elsberry

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i'm ryan sprague and i'm shane hurd

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do us a favor friends always treat the

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ufo subject with the cautious and

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responsible skepticism it deserves

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question everything have the courage to

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form your own opinions

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keep truth as the focus of your quest

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even if the truth

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conflicts with your opinions and of

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course stay strange